What about extending the wiki...?

James Robertson jwrober at linuxfromscratch.org
Fri Mar 12 08:42:11 PST 2004

Jeroen Coumans wrote:

> Hi,
> I've said before that I think we don't use the Wiki enough. I've been 
> playing around with PHPWiki for work and for the University lately, and 
> I'm very impressed with it. I noticed that we have still have an old 
> version on the LFS website; can it be upgraded?

I am glad that you are looking into it.  I have thought that the wiki 
would work for us for some time, but have not had the expertise to do 
anything with it.  I believe that an upgrade would not be too difficult.

> Also, the Wiki links are very ugly; 
> http://wiki.linuxfromscratch.org/index.php?pagename=LFS
> Can the "index.php?pagename="-part be snipped with a nifty .htaccess 
> rule? See http://phpwiki.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/PrettyWiki

SF.net has that on their wiki set.  If you remember, when LFS first had 
a wiki over there, that was how it was setup.  I am not sure of the 
method that the "fix" the filename, it may be the .htaccess hack.  I 
would agree that we would want to fix this issue to make the site's URLs 

> I've adjusted the LFS wiki slightly to see what's possible, and I can 
> port the current design over to it. I've also felt the power of PHP and 
> some smart plugins. I know we're in the middle of evaluating and even 
> migrating to Drupal, but I seriously wish to consider the effects of 
> using a Wiki as our mainsite now that we can still change our minds.

I think Drupal is nice, but I also think that PHPWiki is more powerful, 
more folks are using it and with the other available plugins, we could 
have ourselves a real nice CMS going on there.

> A wiki would leverage the complete site editing and building to our 
> editors and users, and it's great fun too! It has its own revision 
> control so we don't need to use CVS for it. The news pages are underused 
> in our current setup and I don't think that editors have the need to add 
> that much news (except for releases), so perhaps we could do away with 
> that particular homepage design. Also, I'd like to move at least the FAQ 
> to the Wiki, since it can benefit greatly from the added user contribution.

Yea, using wiki markup is real easy.  I figured it out in about 15 minutes.

> There are plugins available for PHPWiki which would give us most 
> functionality we require, and we can probably write a decent one which 
> converts cvs2cl's XML output into the wiki. For polls there is 
> <http://thebigone.caltech.edu/~mvandam/phpwiki2/index.php/PollPlugin>, 
> and there's also an excellent Calendar-plugin.
> We can also look at <http://tavi.sourceforge.net>, 
> <http://wikipedia.sourceforge.net/> or <http://tikiwiki.org>. The latter 
> is also used by www.freedesktop.org and is very featureful but probably 
> overkill.
> For mirroring we can export the Wikipages daily as regular XHTML pages, 
> and munge the action-links to point to the LFS server.
> The only feature which is a bit lacking in current PHPWiki is proper 
> user autherization, although it's forthcoming in the next release. 
> Nonetheless, we can still lock pages and give editors the responsibility 
> to keep their own sections clean, which is good enough for now, especially
> Opinions?

How long until the user auth is coming?  Can we wait that long? Can we 
help them move along faster?  I think going wiki is an excellent idea.

James Robertson -- jwrober at linuxfromscratch dot org
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