Filtering out newbies

Chris Staub chris at
Mon Mar 20 09:24:59 PST 2006

Sash wrote:
> Archaic wrote:
>> Or how about a well thought out, firm (yet polite), occasion-specific
>> webpage to cover each of:
>> The whiners get ignored,
>> Thoughts?
> We've been called elitists. This must be why. It takes all kinds of 
> people to make the world go round. Some whine; some don't. Even whiners 
> can learn when given direction and encouragement. This is supposed to be 
> a learning tool - not just a tool for super geeks. Some rhetorical 
> questions for anyone who doesn't care for newbies: Do you forget what it 
> was like to be new? Were you ever new? Were you born knowing linux? Or 
> perhaps just with a brain that understands it more easily? And for the 
> record, imho, "firm (yet polite)" seems quite like ice when you are on 
> the receiving end and ignoring people is childish. Yes, the livecd 
> brings a lot of new users to #lfs-support, but that's why it's there - 
> for "support." Books usually have a large following and ours seems to 
> get smaller when new people are not welcomed into the community.
> What happened to common courtesy and consideration? It's expected in 
> #lfs-support so why not all over the project?
> Sash

A lot of people just completely skip over the recommended prerequisites 
and just try to use LFS despite the clear text in the book saying it 
assumes basic linux knowledge. Why waste time supporting people who just 
refuse to read? The only thing that is accomplished by continuing to 
give answers to these kind of people is that they are encouraged to 
continue in their ignorance, not learn anything, and just keep coming 
and asking question after question every single time they have a 
problem, making no attempt to do anything on their own. Some people just 
aren't worth helping.

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