stable status

Robert Connolly robert at
Tue Sep 25 21:31:52 PDT 2007

Hello. I'd like to hear opinions about the status of the -stable release. I'd 
really be nice to have a stable release, and I think it would exclude the 
uClibc book. Historically the Glibc book has always been fairly unstable, but 
usable. uClibc itself, and ports for it, has kept the uClibc book from 
becoming stabilized.

I've jotted notes for a stable release goals on the wiki, but these can be 
changed. The Glibc book isn't in bad shape, and before replacing Shadow with 
Shadow-ssl it might be worth it to produce a stable release which lacks the 
OpenSSL package and focuses mainly on toolchain modifications (default 
CFLAGS). A major change to the -stable book change, compared to -unstable, 
would be documentation of it's logic. It should be standalone, whereas 
the -unstable book is often documented on this mailing list.

The variable here is the goals for HLFS-1.0. Either keep plowing ahead, or 
settle down and use what we have.

A long time ago I decided the stable release will be maintained indefinitely 
by bug fix patches. This is a project in itself, and should have it's own 
dedicated maintainer. Meaning that whatever packages are in the -stable book 
will be maintained on with updated 
bugfix patches which add no new features and only security fixes. The only 
way I see this happening is with the linux-2.4 kernel, because the linux-2.6 
kernel demands modifications to userland for modifications from the new 
kernel (new Udev, etc).

I've never been able to think a lot about -stable because I never stop finding 
more things to modify for security and uniformity. After all the work done 
to -unstable, it would be a shame to have a simple toolchain modification 
book for -stable, but focusing on documentation could be the plus.

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