From jean.yves.levesque at gmail.com  Fri Aug  3 06:02:56 2007
From: jean.yves.levesque at gmail.com (Jean-Yves Levesque)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 08:02:56 -0400
Subject: [elinks-users] Re :  Passing arguments to local CGI scripts
In-Reply-To: <20061130153441.GA21414@diku.dk>
References: <111f7ec40611291207g43263064y8e37d9218d8f817c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061130153441.GA21414@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <111f7ec40708030502u6899c8eblcc07968e35a92da9@mail.gmail.com>

Did something changed lately that would cause that
to fail?

Now if I use http://xxx/bla.cgi?ok I see the
extension on the status line. If instead I
use file:///xxx/bla.cgi?ok I only see

file:///xxx/bla.cgi on the status line and the
argument are obviously now passed to.

Using 0.12 GIT from may 10.

Any idea?

jy




2006/11/30, Jonas Fonseca <fonseca at diku.dk>:
> Hi,
>
> Jean-Yves Levesque <jean.yves.levesque at gmail.com> wrote Thu, Nov 30, 2006:
> > Trying to see if when using local cgi scripts if
> > it is possible to pass arguments. Elinks does not
> > seem to accept arguments (ie blabla.cgi?test)
> >
> > Any other way?
>
> Are you sure that you have set up ELinks correctly? That is, added:
>
> 	set protocol.file.cgi.policy = 1
> 	set protocol.file.cgi.path = "/path/to/cgi/dir"
>
> to elinks.conf.
>
> I've added a simple test script to the elinks-0.11 version that you
> can try out to see what variables (including QUERY_STRING) that ELinks
> sets up. I've attached it to this message.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> --
> Jonas Fonseca
>


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From kon at iki.fi  Sat Aug  4 02:58:20 2007
From: kon at iki.fi (Kalle Olavi Niemitalo)
Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 11:58:20 +0300
Subject: [elinks-users] Passing arguments to local CGI scripts
In-Reply-To: <111f7ec40708030502u6899c8eblcc07968e35a92da9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <111f7ec40611291207g43263064y8e37d9218d8f817c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061130153441.GA21414@diku.dk>
	<111f7ec40708030502u6899c8eblcc07968e35a92da9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87abt73ccz.fsf_-_@Astalo.kon.iki.fi>

"Jean-Yves Levesque" <jean.yves.levesque at gmail.com> writes:

> If instead I
> use file:///xxx/bla.cgi?ok I only see
>
> file:///xxx/bla.cgi on the status line and the
> argument are obviously now passed to.
>
> Using 0.12 GIT from may 10.

I applied Witek's fix to elinks-0.11 and master on 2007-06-17.
So, please upgrade.

ELinks 0.11.3.GIT now:
* fix query parsing in file: URIs for local CGI (was broken in 0.11.3)

From jean.yves.levesque at gmail.com  Sun Aug  5 14:13:15 2007
From: jean.yves.levesque at gmail.com (Jean-Yves Levesque)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 16:13:15 -0400
Subject: [elinks-users] Passing arguments to local CGI scripts
In-Reply-To: <87abt73ccz.fsf_-_@Astalo.kon.iki.fi>
References: <111f7ec40611291207g43263064y8e37d9218d8f817c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061130153441.GA21414@diku.dk>
	<111f7ec40708030502u6899c8eblcc07968e35a92da9@mail.gmail.com>
	<87abt73ccz.fsf_-_@Astalo.kon.iki.fi>
Message-ID: <111f7ec40708051313h23a65c45sc355ff2bdce18e1f@mail.gmail.com>

Works fine now. thanks,

jy


2007/8/4, Kalle Olavi Niemitalo <kon at iki.fi>:
> "Jean-Yves Levesque" <jean.yves.levesque at gmail.com> writes:
>
> > If instead I
> > use file:///xxx/bla.cgi?ok I only see
> >
> > file:///xxx/bla.cgi on the status line and the
> > argument are obviously now passed to.
> >
> > Using 0.12 GIT from may 10.
>
> I applied Witek's fix to elinks-0.11 and master on 2007-06-17.
> So, please upgrade.
>
> ELinks 0.11.3.GIT now:
> * fix query parsing in file: URIs for local CGI (was broken in 0.11.3)
> _______________________________________________
> elinks-users mailing list
> elinks-users at linuxfromscratch.org
> http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/elinks-users
>


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From jean.yves.levesque at gmail.com  Tue Aug  7 06:26:42 2007
From: jean.yves.levesque at gmail.com (Jean-Yves Levesque)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 08:26:42 -0400
Subject: [elinks-users] Elinks Within Screen Issue
Message-ID: <111f7ec40708070526i4fe4aef5h256c0eec2942bcbf@mail.gmail.com>

I have an issue that has been bugging me for a
while. I run Elinks within a screen session.
Sometimes when I quit Elinks and then I try to
start Elinks again, Elinks seems to hang waiting
for something.

If I run Elinks outside of screen, then everything
is fine.

What should I be looking at in order to try to
debug this issue?

thanks,

jy










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From faux.pseudo at gmail.com  Thu Aug  9 19:37:14 2007
From: faux.pseudo at gmail.com (Faux_Pseudo)
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:37:14 -0400
Subject: [elinks-users] Elinks Within Screen Issue
In-Reply-To: <111f7ec40708070526i4fe4aef5h256c0eec2942bcbf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <111f7ec40708070526i4fe4aef5h256c0eec2942bcbf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070810013714.GC8135@betrug>

On Tue, Aug 07, 2007 at 08:26:42AM -0400, Jean-Yves Levesque wrote:
> I have an issue that has been bugging me for a
> while. I run Elinks within a screen session.
> Sometimes when I quit Elinks and then I try to
> start Elinks again, Elinks seems to hang waiting
> for something.

Never had that happen.  Try running strac on it during the second
start up and see what it is looking for.
 

My only problem with screen and elinks is that if I stat elinks via
.screenrc like so:
screen -t elinks 2 elinks ~/.lynxbookmarks.html 

It won't accept remote launches.  I have to quit and restart it from a
running screen in order for it to do that.  Anyone got any cures for
that?

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From kon at iki.fi  Thu Aug  9 22:17:14 2007
From: kon at iki.fi (Kalle Olavi Niemitalo)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:17:14 +0300
Subject: [elinks-users] Elinks Within Screen Issue
In-Reply-To: <20070810013714.GC8135@betrug>
References: <111f7ec40708070526i4fe4aef5h256c0eec2942bcbf@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070810013714.GC8135@betrug>
Message-ID: <87abt02fcl.fsf@Astalo.kon.iki.fi>

Faux_Pseudo <faux.pseudo at gmail.com> writes:

> My only problem with screen and elinks is that if I stat elinks via
> .screenrc like so:
> screen -t elinks 2 elinks ~/.lynxbookmarks.html 
>
> It won't accept remote launches.  I have to quit and restart it from a
> running screen in order for it to do that.  Anyone got any cures for
> that?

I cannot reproduce that with ELinks 0.11.3, nor with ELinks
0.12.GIT from 2007-07-30.  I don't have a .lynxbookmarks.html
so I tried with another HTML file.  I did use .screenrc.

There is a bug that may or may not be related:
Bug 938 - Assertion raised on loss of controlling TTY
http://bugzilla.elinks.cz/show_bug.cgi?id=938

On Linux, you might also try "netstat -Aunix -p -l" to see
whether ELinks is listening to its interlink socket as expected.

From myself at ligesh.com  Fri Aug 10 07:54:24 2007
From: myself at ligesh.com (myself at ligesh.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:24:24 +0530
Subject: [elinks-users] Elinks Jumps to the first form on a newly loaded
	page.
Message-ID: <20070810135424.GA26877@lxlabs.com>


 I would like to know I can prevent this from happening. In forums, they will have a simple post form at the bottom, and when I open it, elinks jumps to this form located down below, and it is very annoying.

 Thanks.



From kelly.terry.jones at gmail.com  Fri Aug 10 20:40:27 2007
From: kelly.terry.jones at gmail.com (Kelly Jones)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:40:27 -0600
Subject: [elinks-users] Mediawiki specific elinks hooks?
Message-ID: <26face530708101940u33d6724cse93457ff4c75483@mail.gmail.com>

I spend a lot of time on MediaWikis, and have written a couple of
"dumb prefixes" to make navigation easier:

rand to "%c/../Special:Random"
s to ""%c/../Special:Search?search=%s" [for 's'earch]

These don't even work all the time (only if you're on a regular
article). I suspect I need hooks/LUA, not just prefixes.

Has anyone written hooks/etc to make Elinks MediaWiki navigation easier?

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From thomas.adam22 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 11 00:07:57 2007
From: thomas.adam22 at gmail.com (Thomas Adam)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:07:57 +0100
Subject: [elinks-users] Mediawiki specific elinks hooks?
In-Reply-To: <26face530708101940u33d6724cse93457ff4c75483@mail.gmail.com>
References: <26face530708101940u33d6724cse93457ff4c75483@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18071eea0708102307j7df62e5ci58fa9721dc830698@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/08/07, Kelly Jones <kelly.terry.jones at gmail.com> wrote:
> I spend a lot of time on MediaWikis, and have written a couple of
> "dumb prefixes" to make navigation easier:
>
> rand to "%c/../Special:Random"
> s to ""%c/../Special:Search?search=%s" [for 's'earch]
>
> These don't even work all the time (only if you're on a regular
> article). I suspect I need hooks/LUA, not just prefixes.
>
> Has anyone written hooks/etc to make Elinks MediaWiki navigation easier?

http://osdir.com/ml/web.elinks.user/2006-12/msg00002.html

-- Thomas Adam

From fonseca at diku.dk  Sat Aug 11 04:07:44 2007
From: fonseca at diku.dk (Jonas Fonseca)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:07:44 +0200
Subject: [elinks-users] Elinks Jumps to the first form on a newly loaded
	page.
In-Reply-To: <20070810135424.GA26877@lxlabs.com>
References: <20070810135424.GA26877@lxlabs.com>
Message-ID: <20070811100744.GA25053@diku.dk>

myself at ligesh.com <myself at ligesh.com> wrote Fri, Aug 10, 2007:
> 
>  I would like to know I can prevent this from happening. In forums,
>  they will have a simple post form at the bottom, and when I open it,
>  elinks jumps to this form located down below, and it is very
>  annoying.

Maybe you can try to disable the tabindex option.

-- 
Jonas Fonseca

From myself at ligesh.com  Sat Aug 11 10:02:12 2007
From: myself at ligesh.com (Ligesh)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:32:12 +0530
Subject: [elinks-users] Elinks Jumps to the first form on a newly loaded
	page.
In-Reply-To: <20070811155846.GA28796@lxlabs.com>
References: <20070810135424.GA26877@lxlabs.com>
	<20070811100744.GA25053@diku.dk>
	<20070811155846.GA28796@lxlabs.com>
Message-ID: <20070811160212.GA28965@lxlabs.com>


 Yeah, that worked. But what exactly is a tabindex? And is there some way I can configure it properly? And what about the key motion feature? The current methods are all extroardinarily cumbersome, and does not make any sense.

 Adding features based on donations is a standard Open Source practice, and I have been doing it for many projects now.

 Thanks.


From kon at iki.fi  Sat Aug 11 15:45:02 2007
From: kon at iki.fi (Kalle Olavi Niemitalo)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 00:45:02 +0300
Subject: [elinks-users] Elinks Jumps to the first form on a newly loaded
	page.
In-Reply-To: <20070811160212.GA28965@lxlabs.com>
References: <20070810135424.GA26877@lxlabs.com>
	<20070811100744.GA25053@diku.dk> <20070811155846.GA28796@lxlabs.com>
	<20070811160212.GA28965@lxlabs.com>
Message-ID: <87lkchhhk1.fsf@Astalo.kon.iki.fi>

Ligesh <myself at ligesh.com> writes:

> Yeah, that worked. But what exactly is a tabindex?

http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/forms.html#adef-tabindex

> And is there some way I can configure it properly?

If I understand correctly, your complaint is that ELinks
automatically gives focus to the first link in the tabbing order,
and scrolls to make it visible.  Whereas e.g. Iceweasel initially
gives focus to the entire document, and moving focus to the first
link in the tabbing order requires pressing Tab once.  I suppose
that would map to the Down key (move-link-next action) in ELinks.
So, upon loading a document, ELinks should enter a state where:
- The move-link-next action would give focus to the first link in
  the tabbing order (regardless of whether it is on the screen),
  scroll to make it visible, and exit this state.
- The move-link-prev action would give focus to the last link in
  the tabbing order (regardless of whether it is on the screen),
  scroll to make it visible, and leave this state.
- The scroll-up, scroll-down, move-page-up, and move-page-down
  actions would scroll the document but never give focus to a
  link.
- The move-cursor-left, move-cursor-down, move-cursor-up, and
  move-cursor-right actions would exit this state.
- How about the search-typeahead, search, and search-back actions?

Is that what you are asking for?
How important is the change to you, given the two workarounds
of (a) setting document.browse.links.use_tabindex = 0 and (b)
pressing Home after the document has loaded?

> Adding features based on donations is a standard Open Source
> practice, and I have been doing it for many projects now.

For legal (31.3.2006/255) as well as personal reasons, I don't
want to get involved in any ELinks-related monetary donations.

From myself at ligesh.com  Sat Aug 11 19:12:06 2007
From: myself at ligesh.com (Ligesh)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 06:42:06 +0530
Subject: [elinks-users] Elinks Jumps to the first form on a newly loaded
	page.
In-Reply-To: <87lkchhhk1.fsf@Astalo.kon.iki.fi>
References: <20070810135424.GA26877@lxlabs.com>
	<20070811100744.GA25053@diku.dk>
	<20070811155846.GA28796@lxlabs.com>
	<20070811160212.GA28965@lxlabs.com>
	<87lkchhhk1.fsf@Astalo.kon.iki.fi>
Message-ID: <20070812011206.GA25185@lxlabs.com>

 Yes. I got it. So the culprit actually wasn't elinks, but rather the forum, which had explicit instructions for a browser to focus on the form. The current behaviour is good enough for me.

 Thanks.


On Sun, Aug 12, 2007 at 12:45:02AM +0300, Kalle Olavi Niemitalo wrote:
> Ligesh <myself at ligesh.com> writes:
> 
> > Yeah, that worked. But what exactly is a tabindex?
> 
> http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/forms.html#adef-tabindex
> 
> > And is there some way I can configure it properly?
> 
> If I understand correctly, your complaint is that ELinks
> automatically gives focus to the first link in the tabbing order,
> and scrolls to make it visible.  Whereas e.g. Iceweasel initially
> gives focus to the entire document, and moving focus to the first
> link in the tabbing order requires pressing Tab once.  I suppose
> that would map to the Down key (move-link-next action) in ELinks.
> So, upon loading a document, ELinks should enter a state where:
> - The move-link-next action would give focus to the first link in
>   the tabbing order (regardless of whether it is on the screen),
>   scroll to make it visible, and exit this state.
> - The move-link-prev action would give focus to the last link in



From angelobeck at floripa.com.br  Mon Aug 20 06:25:31 2007
From: angelobeck at floripa.com.br (angelobeck at floripa.com.br)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:25:31 -0300
Subject: [elinks-users] Hello from a blind person
Message-ID: <000101c7e326$4c4e22c0$7300a8c0@fln.virtua.com.br>

Hello all,

I'm camming to this list cause a have an specific problem and I want your
help.

My name is Angelo, I'm writting from Brazil and I'm blind.

I liked the links web browser, but I like some help to crear my navigation.

A cant look to the console. Than, I use a screen reader to navigate.

When I'm readding a page wich a several links a problem ocurres:

If an hiperlink are placed own on a line, the screen reader just read this
link. But, when are many hiperlinks at the same line, the screen reader does
not distinct one of the other.

Than I think that the best solution is to plug in a script that brokes the
line every time a link apears.
The first solution I thot was to insert a line break on te end of a
hiperlink.
replace the html code can be suficient:
The string:
</a>
need to be replaced by:
</a><br/>

How can I make that script to replace the page code on the fly?

Many other formatation can be made to clear the page. Clear identation and
many blank lines are very useful to read the page wich a screen reader.

Thanks to all

Angelo

Sorry my english are not so good.


From wvdwalt at csir.co.za  Mon Aug 20 06:58:16 2007
From: wvdwalt at csir.co.za (Willem van der Walt)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:58:16 +0200 (SAST)
Subject: [elinks-users] Hello from a blind person
In-Reply-To: <000101c7e326$4c4e22c0$7300a8c0@fln.virtua.com.br>
References: <000101c7e326$4c4e22c0$7300a8c0@fln.virtua.com.br>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0708201452300.7007@localhost.localdomain>

You should first and foremost check the configuration options of elinks.  
You can make it behave a lot like Lynx, the cat.
Your links are numbered then and is distinguishable.
You can do what you have asked by running squid and have a script which 
operate on the web page after it has been received by your box and before 
it goes to elinks.
Are you using speakup?


On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, angelobeck at floripa.com.br wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> I'm camming to this list cause a have an specific problem and I want your
> help.
> 
> My name is Angelo, I'm writting from Brazil and I'm blind.
> 
> I liked the links web browser, but I like some help to crear my navigation.
> 
> A cant look to the console. Than, I use a screen reader to navigate.
> 
> When I'm readding a page wich a several links a problem ocurres:
> 
> If an hiperlink are placed own on a line, the screen reader just read this
> link. But, when are many hiperlinks at the same line, the screen reader does
> not distinct one of the other.
> 
> Than I think that the best solution is to plug in a script that brokes the
> line every time a link apears.
> The first solution I thot was to insert a line break on te end of a
> hiperlink.
> replace the html code can be suficient:
> The string:
> </a>
> need to be replaced by:
> </a><br/>
> 
> How can I make that script to replace the page code on the fly?
> 
> Many other formatation can be made to clear the page. Clear identation and
> many blank lines are very useful to read the page wich a screen reader.
> 
> Thanks to all
> 
> Angelo
> 
> Sorry my english are not so good.
> 
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> elinks-users at linuxfromscratch.org
> http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/elinks-users
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From kenny at hittsjunk.net  Mon Aug 20 06:53:40 2007
From: kenny at hittsjunk.net (Kenny Hitt)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:53:40 -0500
Subject: [elinks-users] Hello from a blind person
In-Reply-To: <000101c7e326$4c4e22c0$7300a8c0@fln.virtua.com.br>
References: <000101c7e326$4c4e22c0$7300a8c0@fln.virtua.com.br>
Message-ID: <20070820125340.GC3484@hittsjunk.net>

Hi.

What screen reader are you using?  Speakup, and Orca can tell the link with focus using
the read word command (keypad 5 on the desktop keymapfor both screen readers).  If you use brltty,
the cursor is on the link with focus.

          Kenny


From thomas.adam22 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 20 07:51:56 2007
From: thomas.adam22 at gmail.com (Thomas Adam)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:51:56 +0100
Subject: [elinks-users] Hello from a blind person
In-Reply-To: <20070820125340.GC3484@hittsjunk.net>
References: <000101c7e326$4c4e22c0$7300a8c0@fln.virtua.com.br>
	<20070820125340.GC3484@hittsjunk.net>
Message-ID: <18071eea0708200651g159abbefu631481a9c29dcfbd@mail.gmail.com>

On 20/08/07, Kenny Hitt <kenny at hittsjunk.net> wrote:
> Hi.
>
> What screen reader are you using?  Speakup, and Orca can tell the link with focus using
> the read word command (keypad 5 on the desktop keymapfor both screen readers).  If you use brltty,
> the cursor is on the link with focus.


Also, the witek branch of ELinks has, if I am not mistaken, hooks into
festival (or some other defined screen reader).  Might be worth
checking out.

-- Thomas Adam

From angelobeck at floripa.com.br  Tue Aug 21 01:47:15 2007
From: angelobeck at floripa.com.br (angelobeck at floripa.com.br)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:47:15 -0300
Subject: [elinks-users] Problems and solutions
Message-ID: <001b01c7e3c7$890435a0$7300a8c0@fln.virtua.com.br>

I'm using Orca and I just tries to use numbered links. But the problem are
not to activate a link, but to clear the readding output.

Wen a page shows a line wich hiperlinks like that:
News | Events | Magazine

if I use the down arrow tree times, I like that the output will be something
like:
[down arrow] News
[down arrow] Events
[down arrow] Magazine

and not:
[down arrow] News Events Magazine
[down arrow] News Events Magazine
[down arrow] News Events Magazine

It's clear to you?

Other problem apears when I choice to enumerate links:
What do you anderstand when you hear a link like that?
1 1 2 2 3 3 4 4 5 5 6

Its confused.

you can look to the screen and read something like that:
1[1] 2 2[3] 3[4] 4[5] 5[6]
Than you will anderstand that the 2 are not a link.

But, If I'm navigatting between hiperlinks wich the down arrow?
[down arrow]  1 1 2 2 3 3 4 4 5 5 6
[down arrow]  1 1 2 2 3 3 4 4 5 5 6
[down arrow]  1 1 2 2 3 3 4 4 5 5 6
[down arrow]  1 1 2 2 3 3 4 4 5 5 6
...

It's not useful
I like to hear something lik that:
[down arrow] 1
[down arrow] 3
[down arrow] 4
...

I understand if you never used an scren reader to navigate before. I coud
see for many years than I know tat are more useful to look at the screen.
Are more fast cause the eye can select the information imediately.

But a text wich an screen reader are plain like a music. You can go back and
forward, but it have just one dimension. Than, everyting that helps to jump
to the information we like, are GOLD.

If you are readding these lines:

web [images] [groups] [news]
web [images] [groups] [news]
web [images] [groups] [news]

Qwickly you percept that have tree identical lines. Than you never will read
the tree lines cause the first are suficient. Your eye qeicly jumps to the
next blok of text.

But the synth will speak something like that:
web images groups news web images groups news web images groups news

The same problem ocurres when I use the up arrow to choose an old command.

The eye aways jumps the block:
[root at angelo-laptop~$]
and reads the comands:
cd ..
dir

and never
root at angelo laptop cd dot dot root at angelo laptop dir

I will try to learn something about squid. Thanks to all.

If someone like to help-me, please, advise.

I'm using the Orca and I've installed the yasr. The yasr works well, but I
need a portuguese voice to work easely.

I'm using the IBM portuguese via voice. It's not free software, but are a
big help to jump in Linux.

I know that the free tts suports portuguese. Tan, I'll try to use it wich
yasr.

?ngelo beck


From lars.bjorndal at broadpark.no  Tue Aug 21 01:50:15 2007
From: lars.bjorndal at broadpark.no (Lars =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rndal?=)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:50:15 +0200
Subject: [elinks-users] Hello from a blind person
In-Reply-To: <18071eea0708200651g159abbefu631481a9c29dcfbd@mail.gmail.com>
	(Thomas Adam's message of "Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:51:56 +0100")
References: <000101c7e326$4c4e22c0$7300a8c0@fln.virtua.com.br>
	<20070820125340.GC3484@hittsjunk.net>
	<18071eea0708200651g159abbefu631481a9c29dcfbd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <m3ejhxuy14.fsf@fox.lamasti.net>

I'm blind too, and I use BRLTTY.

The most annoying problem I have with Elinks/Lynx, is that it's
difficult to find a search result, as the cursor is on a link or at
the bottom of screen, and you don't know where on the screen the
search result is located. Maybe there is a solution here?

Lars

From kenny at hittsjunk.net  Tue Aug 21 02:06:05 2007
From: kenny at hittsjunk.net (Kenny Hitt)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 03:06:05 -0500
Subject: [elinks-users] Problems and solutions
In-Reply-To: <001b01c7e3c7$890435a0$7300a8c0@fln.virtua.com.br>
References: <001b01c7e3c7$890435a0$7300a8c0@fln.virtua.com.br>
Message-ID: <20070821080605.GA5289@hittsjunk.net>

Hi.

I've always used screen readers.  In this case, I press the down arrow with my thumb and my middle
finger is on the keypad 5.  For me, down arrow keypad 5 always reads the link with focus.

I hate numbering links and don't use that option.
I also don't like the idea of making a web page look different from what a sighted user gets.

          Kenny


From wvdwalt at csir.co.za  Tue Aug 21 02:10:46 2007
From: wvdwalt at csir.co.za (Willem van der Walt)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:10:46 +0200 (SAST)
Subject: [elinks-users] Hello from a blind person
In-Reply-To: <m3ejhxuy14.fsf@fox.lamasti.net>
References: <000101c7e326$4c4e22c0$7300a8c0@fln.virtua.com.br>
	<20070820125340.GC3484@hittsjunk.net>
	<18071eea0708200651g159abbefu631481a9c29dcfbd@mail.gmail.com>
	<m3ejhxuy14.fsf@fox.lamasti.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0708211009510.6434@localhost.localdomain>

I always use the slash to search for some words known to be close to the 
stuff I am looking for.


On Tue, 21 Aug 2007, Lars Bj?rndal wrote:

> I'm blind too, and I use BRLTTY.
> 
> The most annoying problem I have with Elinks/Lynx, is that it's
> difficult to find a search result, as the cursor is on a link or at
> the bottom of screen, and you don't know where on the screen the
> search result is located. Maybe there is a solution here?
> 
> Lars
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From gradha at titanium.sabren.com  Tue Aug 21 06:40:16 2007
From: gradha at titanium.sabren.com (Grzegorz Adam Hankiewicz)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:40:16 +0200
Subject: [elinks-users] Hello from a blind person
In-Reply-To: <000101c7e326$4c4e22c0$7300a8c0@fln.virtua.com.br>
References: <000101c7e326$4c4e22c0$7300a8c0@fln.virtua.com.br>
Message-ID: <20070821124016.GA27411@geezer>

On 2007-08-20, angelobeck at floripa.com.br wrote:
> The string:
> </a>
> need to be replaced by:
> </a><br/>
> 
> How can I make that script to replace the page code on the fly?

I'm not much into elinks today, but I remember this was possible
with at least lua scripting. When you activate lua scripting, there
are a few hooks that get called when a page is downloaded, and you
can do some funny things. IIRC the provided hooks.lua contains an
example which reformats some news web page which by default looks
horrible in elinks but with little table modifications looks ok (I
used this feature to remove websites' sidebars which are annoying).

You could do the same but replacing the logic for a little regular
expression substitution in lua looking for the closing tags as you
mentioned. Then you can make it run for just a single site domain
or all incoming web pages.

You will have to get help from somebody else at this point since
I can't provide any code. Besides, what others have said may be
useful too. I use myself the link numbering option because it is
much faster over the slow ssh sessions I'm used to. In my version
I can activate/desactivate link numbering pressing the dot key.

From angelobeck at floripa.com.br  Wed Aug 22 04:50:37 2007
From: angelobeck at floripa.com.br (angelobeck at floripa.com.br)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 07:50:37 -0300
Subject: [elinks-users] Page rebuildding
Message-ID: <004601c7e4aa$4d4fd800$7300a8c0@fln.virtua.com.br>

Thanks to all!

The idea to use keypad 5 are very useful. It not the best solution cause i'm
using a laptop that's not have a keypad. Te equivalent to keypad 5 on orca,
tu use on laptop keyboard layout are caps-lok+k

But it works as well.

the dot key to activate numerical links works to.

But I had an idea interestting: I'll try to make an php script to provide
acessible pages.

One other question to you are: what program I can use to send or receive
mails? I'm looking for a terminal one.

Happy to had find you,

Angelo Beck



k


From wvdwalt at csir.co.za  Wed Aug 22 04:59:14 2007
From: wvdwalt at csir.co.za (Willem van der Walt)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:59:14 +0200 (SAST)
Subject: [elinks-users] Page rebuildding
In-Reply-To: <004601c7e4aa$4d4fd800$7300a8c0@fln.virtua.com.br>
References: <004601c7e4aa$4d4fd800$7300a8c0@fln.virtua.com.br>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0708221257260.28524@localhost.localdomain>

Hi, I use pine for email from the console, but you need to configure it a 
bit before it becomes usable.
You should subscribe to the speakup list or the orca list or the blinux 
list where all the blind linux users hang out.
Regards, Willem


On Wed, 22 Aug 2007, angelobeck at floripa.com.br wrote:

> Thanks to all!
> 
> The idea to use keypad 5 are very useful. It not the best solution cause i'm
> using a laptop that's not have a keypad. Te equivalent to keypad 5 on orca,
> tu use on laptop keyboard layout are caps-lok+k
> 
> But it works as well.
> 
> the dot key to activate numerical links works to.
> 
> But I had an idea interestting: I'll try to make an php script to provide
> acessible pages.
> 
> One other question to you are: what program I can use to send or receive
> mails? I'm looking for a terminal one.
> 
> Happy to had find you,
> 
> Angelo Beck
> 
> 
> 
> k
> 
> _______________________________________________
> elinks-users mailing list
> elinks-users at linuxfromscratch.org
> http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/elinks-users
> 

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From ehurst at asisaid.com  Wed Aug 22 07:37:30 2007
From: ehurst at asisaid.com (Ed Hurst)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:37:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [elinks-users] Progress on ghost text?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0708220828090.19446@crater.local.lnx>

Debian Etch i386, Elinks 0.11.1 --

I was wondering if there has been any progress toward a problem about
which I asked a couple of years ago: ghost text. That is, on some
webpages, parts of the rendered text will persist when scrolling up or
down the page, repeating in rows. It may go away as more text is
scrolled past which forces a repaint on the screen, but otherwise
persists across all open tabs.

By no means do I regard this as a show-stopper; I still recommend
Elinks in my technology articles. However, I wonder if there is any way
to get this behavior to stop. It's been a problem on several Linux
distros, less so in FreeBSD. Wherever it appears on Konsole or Xterm,
it also shows up on the bare console (which I use quite a bit).


Ed Hurst
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From kon at iki.fi  Tue Aug 28 01:35:20 2007
From: kon at iki.fi (Kalle Olavi Niemitalo)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:35:20 +0300
Subject: [elinks-users] Progress on ghost text?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0708220828090.19446@crater.local.lnx>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0708220828090.19446@crater.local.lnx>
Message-ID: <87ps18xgav.fsf@Astalo.kon.iki.fi>

Ed Hurst <ehurst at asisaid.com> writes:

> I was wondering if there has been any progress toward a problem about
> which I asked a couple of years ago: ghost text. That is, on some
> webpages, parts of the rendered text will persist when scrolling up or
> down the page, repeating in rows.

Generally this happens when ELinks' idea of what is in the screen
gets out of sync with reality, most likely because the width of a
character doesn't match ELinks' internal unicode_to_cell().
(ELinks does not use wcwidth(), because that depends on LC_CTYPE
and POSIX does not specify the name of any locale where wcwidth()
would support arbitrary Unicode characters.)  In ELinks 0.12.GIT,
I think there are three situations in which that can occur.

(1) Bug 824: If the document uses Unicode combining characters.
    ELinks does not yet support those and they are not trivial to
    implement.

(2) Bug 932: If the document uses C1 control characters (U+0080
    to U+009F), UTF-8 I/O is disabled, and the terminal uses a
    charset that includes those characters.  Currently some of
    ELinks' ISO-8859-* definitions include those but others
    don't.  In principle, all ISO-8859-* charsets should include
    those characters, and ECMAScript code can test that.  Instead
    they should be filtered during rendering or terminal output
    (isscreensafe).  But e.g. CP437 has printable characters
    in the 0x80...0x9F range so we should pass the charset info
    to the filter.
 
(3) If the terminal assigns unexpected widths to line drawing
    characters, like the Mac OS X Terminal does.  There is not
    much ELinks can do about this.  In principle it could ask the
    terminal to report the cursor position whenever it displays a
    new character, but some terminals may ignore such requests,
    and anyway it would be difficult to design dialog frames to
    cope with random variation in character width.

If you find some other case, please report the document, the
terminal, and the terminal options you use in ELinks.