[blfs-dev] Possible BLFS systemd solution

DJ Lucas dj at linuxfromscratch.org
Sun Jun 29 14:58:28 PDT 2014

On 06/29/2014 02:55 PM, Armin K. wrote:
> Hello all,
> As you could see, few moments ago I've commited a "systemd2" branch,
> which contains a prototype of how I would try to create and maintain
> BLFS systemd book from single (fsvo single) xml source hierarchy.
> So how would I achieve that?
> Since there are far more packages that don't require any modifications
> for either systemd or systemv, it would be a bit overkill to maintain a
> separate branch, especially since it's impossible to keep up with Fernando.
> I know this has been rejected in the past, but here I go again. Chris
> gave me an idea of having two different "chapter" files (the ones that
> contain all xincludes from a chapter) and let the "make" process decide
> which one should be used.
> So the idea would be to have:
> postlfs/security/security.xml.systemv
> postlfs/security/security.xml.systemd
> The first one would be the same as postlfs/security/security.xml
> currently is, just renamed.
> Packages that require modifications for systemd would be renamed to do
> that, ie
> postlfs/security/polkit.xml would be for systemv setup
> postlfs/security/polkit-systemd.xml would be for systemd setup
> The second one would be referenced in
> postlfs/security/security.xml.systemd mentioned above.
> This would require a small change to BLFS top level Makefile as well as
> renaming the chapter files in the current book. I have commited the
> "systemd2" branch for prototyping the chapter "Security".
> Only thing that would change for editors is to make sure they use
> chapter.xml.systemv or chapter.xml.systemd instead of chapter.xml for
> inclusion of new packages.
> Comments?
You can do multiple <xi...> in the single chapter files if you want to 
have individual files in order to minimize editor changes for the normal 
book, but this will greatly increase workload for editors of systemd as 
they'll likely be expected to update both versions and keep the 
individual files synced when a non-systemd editor makes an update. This 
just seems like too much editor work in my opinion. Things are all but 
guaranteed to get out of sync with this method as changes from one must 
be mirrored in another.

Personally, I much prefer using the profiles directly in the xml rather 
than having multiple chapter points. Once the revision attributes are in 
there, an editor that doesn't mess with systemd book simply need ignore 
tags with the 'revision="systemd"' attribute. We might still have a sync 
issue when text changes in those tags, but it's right there in the same 

See my example patch from 2014-02-22: 

In that example, I got a bit carried away in order to show all paces 
where it can be used, but if we limit the revision attribute to <title>, 
<para>, and <listitem> tags, and the three places (that's it for now, I 
think) where it will be required in the chapter.xml files, I think it 
could be both much cleaner, and much less intrusive to editors that have 
no interest in systemd. Addition of new files for existing editors would 
be unchanged and systemd editors can go and modify the file after 
inclusion. If you need a more complete example, I could probably do it 
up in a couple of hours. Another cool place where this could be used is 
for development and released books (rather than the manual process used 


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